It is not necessary to be a vegan to care about animal wellfare. In fact, vegans do very little in benefit of this cause since their extremism removes all their credibility. Vegetarian yes, vegan never.
i beg to differ, vegans have a legitimate goal in mind, they want animals to no longer be seen as objects to be bought and sold, they want them to stop being abused and treated like material possessions. they (unlike the bleeding heart omnivores out there) won't be happy with animals living slightly better lives before they are slaughtered and their flesh is sold. vegans are fighting for animals, not their own consciences.
Como vegetariano que sou... sei do que falas. Li os comentários mas antes disso já sabia que ia dar buraco... Eu só queria ser vegan se pudesse mas ser vegetariano já me dá completamente cabo do orçamento. Não vale a pena criticar as crenças de ninguém. Cada um sente as coisas como quer ou pode ou como foi educado. Se tiveste contacto com a morte de animais como dizes, então é possível que tenhas perdido a capacidade de sentir em relação a isso. A minha namorada é vegetariana. Ambos começamos a sê-lo quando nos revoltamos contra a forma como se "produzem" animais e como são literalmente chacinados para baixar os custos de produção. Mas agora vê o quanto lhe custa estar a tirar o curso de veterinária e ter que matar animais para os dissecar... a miúda vai quase às lágrimas, mas pelo menos ali o animal é eutanasiado e não esfaqueado e pelado ainda vivo e a berrar...
Não deixei de sentir empatia pelos animais. Mas tento ser racional e distinguir o que é justificado e o que é puro sadismo. E, infelizmente, a coisa não é branca ou preta. Investigação em animais por exemplo. Se for algo que leve a que se perceba melhor como funciona uma doença ou que leve a uma cura, claro. Se for para testar a nova maquilhagem da L'Oreal... já não apostaria a minha ética aí. Na produção de comida a coisa também anda por linhas tremidas. Pisar o bem-estar animal para aumentar lucros é profundamente errado mas se vamos meter todas as vacas, porcos e galinhas a viver num T3 com vista para o mar o preço seria tão alto que a maioria das pessoas não podia comprar. E como disseste, uma dieta vegetariana/vegan pode dar cabo de um orçamento.
Tento só comprar carne free-range e produtos ditos "organicos". Procuro um equilibrio onde não nego a minha biologia omnivora mas também não me torno um carnivoro cultural.
Boa sorte para a tua namorada. Ela que seja menos emotiva e mais racional. Afinal de contas quando for veterinária vai ajudar ao bem estar de outros animais.
Hey now, I'm vegan and try not to preach, the more I preach the less the listen. I had to learn that. So why waste my time? Unless they ask for reasons, I keep it to myself. I think it's a great concept, but not everyone does and I respect that. I'm offered meat all the time, it gets offensive after a while, because they know damn well I don't eat it. Just like you said somewhere else, every religion/group has it's radicals. Our radicals just raid fur farms. Ew or like PETA, who I don't really support, try to get names of towns change because it puts thoughts of animal abuse in people's mind (fishkill, NY)
Ah like the ALF. I'm torn. I support their cause, I support raiding vivisection labs. I don't support hurting another human being for doing their job. Unless it's like the head mad scientist. mwa ha ha ha
I've worked in labs where people killed many mice, sometimes hundreds in a day. No one took any pleasure on doing it. The ethic rules and bureaucracy are horrendously complicated. Still, I would get very pissed off if a group of people came in and destroyed all the work I'd done in years!
If you want to punish someone go out and yell at people in shopping centers, football stadiums, homes, Africa, whatever. These are the ones who demand new therapies, new drugs, etc.
I'm too much of an animal lover to sit around and watch that happen. I understand it's in the name of science and the future of man kind pretty much, I just can't stand seeing animals suffer. I guess I can see both sides of the story. If we want cures for aids, cancer, etc, then we need to test it on SOMETHING. I guess the people I'm really against are the slaughter houses, they torture the animals and not in the name of science. Just for the fun of it. Let's push a cow around by a forklift, because if he doesn't make it to the line he'll just go to waste. Nevermind the fact that he's sick probably diseased, people can still eat him.
I guess you can put these situations in a hierarchy. Animal suffering will always happen (in last case scenario, of the human animal). Either if its basic survival, legitimate sacrifice in order to get better life conditions, animal welfare neglect, animal cruelty and pure sadism (on top of my head I have bull fighting, dog fighting, etc).
If a person cant distinguish a dog fight from a lab that does animal research then I cant respect that person. Its pure lack of good sense.
And in the end we're all going to die and be ferociously devoured by worms, fungus and bacteria. You just have to accept your role in the chain.
Yea like I said I can understand testing for a cure. It's the useless killing for simple pleasure. Michael Vick...I'm sure you've heard of. Hunters is another torn subject. Hunting for a rack isn't good. Hunting for meat and the whole animalis being used, a little more understandable. I understand there's a food chain, I chose to take myself out of it. Except for when I die and worms eat me, or a lion kills me. Just like you said.
i have no problems with vegan people... ...unless they have problems with me allthough i think that meat-based products are treated inflationary these days....i eat meat maybe about one or two times per month, and i'm feeling quite good
1lt (1¾ pints) Blood (Pig, Lamb or Goose) 340g (12oz) Shredded Suet 300ml (½ pint) Milk 50g (2oz) Oatmeal 3 Medium Onions, chopped 1 tbsp Salt ½ tsp Mixed Herbs ½ tsp Cayenne Pepper Pinch Nutmeg
Pre-heat oven to 160°C: 300°F: Gas 2. Mix all of the ingredients together thoroughly, making sure that the seasonings are evenly distributed. Next fill the large sausage cases, see: Sausage Making Basics for advice on doing so. Place into an ovenproof dish with a cover, standing in a larger dish half filled with water. Bake for 1½ hours. Allow to cool. Fry with bacon and eggs for breakfast or use as a part of a Mixed Grill.
There had been this case in germany where a man had eaten his lover...the lover asked to be eaten, even ate a piece of himself that the man cut off of him....omnivores are sometimes a little bit strange with their love for meat.
Maybe all that toxic stuff in meat is really effecting the brain...who knows...